Discussion:
Good or bad? A Spitfire in 40 weekly parts!
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Terry Jones
2005-02-16 23:40:30 UTC
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On the TV tonight was an advert for one of those magazines that come
with a bit of a model every week. This one is an IC powered remote
control Spitfire.

I suppose on one hand it is encouraging people to build but on the
other a Spitfire is hardly the easiest model to fly is it? These
things always look very expensive to me, £5.99 for 40 weeks or
something like that.

What does everyone else think?

Terry
John Privett
2005-02-17 00:22:06 UTC
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Post by Terry Jones
On the TV tonight was an advert for one of those magazines that come
with a bit of a model every week. This one is an IC powered remote
control Spitfire.
I suppose on one hand it is encouraging people to build but on the
other a Spitfire is hardly the easiest model to fly is it? These
things always look very expensive to me, £5.99 for 40 weeks or
something like that.
What does everyone else think?
Wasn't there something in BMFA News recently about this? IIRC they told the
publishers it was a stupid idea (OK, they were probably a little more
diplomatic than that) and refused to have anything to do with it.

On the plus side it might raise a little interest in model flying, but as
you say it's completely the wrong model for a total novice. I do wonder how
many of them will ever get completed (as with any of these similar £5 a week
for the next 1000 years# multi-part things that this publishing house seem
to specialise in.) And of the small number that do get finished, will more
than a handful ever get off the ground, yet alone survive the first flight?

# That might be a slight exaggeration!
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Stephen Chalmers
2005-02-17 02:03:11 UTC
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Post by Terry Jones
On the TV tonight was an advert for one of those magazines that come
with a bit of a model every week. This one is an IC powered remote
control Spitfire.
I suppose on one hand it is encouraging people to build but on the
other a Spitfire is hardly the easiest model to fly is it? These
things always look very expensive to me, £5.99 for 40 weeks or
something like that.
What does everyone else think?
Terry
Presumably each issue contains a mail-order voucher for that week's
component. If this includes the radio gear, what happens the week say the Tx
becomes available? Do they make it compulsory to buy all issues? If not, one
could buy issues selectively to get the valuable bits like the Rx, servos
and engine, which cannot reasonably be supplied dismantled.
Perhaps the final issue will contain a warning not to fly the model "until
you have built this magnificent trainer, available over 40 issues".

Having said that, I've just checked-out the website...
http://www.deagostini.co.uk/spitfire/mag.php

Quote:
"Learn to Fly Your Spitfire
Your magazines include all the knowledge you need to get your Spitfire
airborne. Packed with tips from expert model-makers, you'll learn to fly
your Spitfire and maximise its potential and the enjoyment you get out of
it."

You wouldn't joke about it.

If this series completes, it can only end in tears; hopefully not those of
innocent bystanders.

--
S.C.
SC
2005-02-17 02:54:39 UTC
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Post by Stephen Chalmers
Post by Terry Jones
On the TV tonight was an advert for one of those magazines that come
with a bit of a model every week. This one is an IC powered remote
control Spitfire.
I suppose on one hand it is encouraging people to build but on the
other a Spitfire is hardly the easiest model to fly is it? These
things always look very expensive to me, £5.99 for 40 weeks or
something like that.
Presumably each issue contains a mail-order voucher for that week's
component. If this includes the radio gear, what happens the week say the Tx
becomes available? Do they make it compulsory to buy all issues? If not, one
could buy issues selectively to get the valuable bits like the Rx, servos
and engine, which cannot reasonably be supplied dismantled.
Perhaps the final issue will contain a warning not to fly the model "until
you have built this magnificent trainer, available over 40 issues".
Having said that, I've just checked-out the website...
http://www.deagostini.co.uk/spitfire/mag.php
"Learn to Fly Your Spitfire
Your magazines include all the knowledge you need to get your Spitfire
airborne. Packed with tips from expert model-makers, you'll learn to fly
your Spitfire and maximise its potential and the enjoyment you get out of
it."
You wouldn't joke about it.
No I wouldn't either!!!

I work for a mailing company that packages a lot of these types of products.
It looks like we'll be doing this one too:(

Can't guarantee it but I'm sure this will be the same as the others - you
have to supply your own radio gear......

(another) SC
david
2005-02-17 08:45:53 UTC
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And you get a FREE tx (okay, so we're giving tx's to the great unwashed, but
so will any model shop). AND you get an engine for £25. Okay, so maybe
it's a rotter...but it might not be?!


All in all, it seems to be a good thing to me. The BMFA should have had
more vision.

My son will be building this. He'll be ready by the seasons end.

D
Post by SC
Post by Stephen Chalmers
Post by Terry Jones
On the TV tonight was an advert for one of those magazines that come
with a bit of a model every week. This one is an IC powered remote
control Spitfire.
I suppose on one hand it is encouraging people to build but on the
other a Spitfire is hardly the easiest model to fly is it? These
things always look very expensive to me, £5.99 for 40 weeks or
something like that.
Presumably each issue contains a mail-order voucher for that week's
component. If this includes the radio gear, what happens the week say the Tx
becomes available? Do they make it compulsory to buy all issues? If not, one
could buy issues selectively to get the valuable bits like the Rx, servos
and engine, which cannot reasonably be supplied dismantled.
Perhaps the final issue will contain a warning not to fly the model "until
you have built this magnificent trainer, available over 40 issues".
Having said that, I've just checked-out the website...
http://www.deagostini.co.uk/spitfire/mag.php
"Learn to Fly Your Spitfire
Your magazines include all the knowledge you need to get your Spitfire
airborne. Packed with tips from expert model-makers, you'll learn to fly
your Spitfire and maximise its potential and the enjoyment you get out of
it."
You wouldn't joke about it.
No I wouldn't either!!!
I work for a mailing company that packages a lot of these types of products.
It looks like we'll be doing this one too:(
Can't guarantee it but I'm sure this will be the same as the others - you
have to supply your own radio gear......
(another) SC
Paul McIntosh
2005-02-17 10:21:24 UTC
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So, you think you are getting something for FREE? Wow, are YOU gullible!
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http://www.rc-bearings.com
Post by david
And you get a FREE tx (okay, so we're giving tx's to the great unwashed,
but so will any model shop). AND you get an engine for £25. Okay, so
maybe it's a rotter...but it might not be?!
All in all, it seems to be a good thing to me. The BMFA should have had
more vision.
My son will be building this. He'll be ready by the seasons end.
D
Post by SC
Post by Stephen Chalmers
Post by Terry Jones
On the TV tonight was an advert for one of those magazines that come
with a bit of a model every week. This one is an IC powered remote
control Spitfire.
I suppose on one hand it is encouraging people to build but on the
other a Spitfire is hardly the easiest model to fly is it? These
things always look very expensive to me, £5.99 for 40 weeks or
something like that.
Presumably each issue contains a mail-order voucher for that week's
component. If this includes the radio gear, what happens the week say the Tx
becomes available? Do they make it compulsory to buy all issues? If not, one
could buy issues selectively to get the valuable bits like the Rx, servos
and engine, which cannot reasonably be supplied dismantled.
Perhaps the final issue will contain a warning not to fly the model "until
you have built this magnificent trainer, available over 40 issues".
Having said that, I've just checked-out the website...
http://www.deagostini.co.uk/spitfire/mag.php
"Learn to Fly Your Spitfire
Your magazines include all the knowledge you need to get your Spitfire
airborne. Packed with tips from expert model-makers, you'll learn to fly
your Spitfire and maximise its potential and the enjoyment you get out of
it."
You wouldn't joke about it.
No I wouldn't either!!!
I work for a mailing company that packages a lot of these types of products.
It looks like we'll be doing this one too:(
Can't guarantee it but I'm sure this will be the same as the others - you
have to supply your own radio gear......
(another) SC
Chris Dugan
2005-02-17 10:57:39 UTC
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Post by david
And you get a FREE tx (okay, so we're giving tx's to the great unwashed, but
so will any model shop). AND you get an engine for £25. Okay, so maybe
it's a rotter...but it might not be?!
All in all, it seems to be a good thing to me. The BMFA should have had
more vision.
My son will be building this. He'll be ready by the seasons end.
An engine for £25? got to be a MDS!

Chris
ray fisher
2005-02-17 11:16:07 UTC
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It's a LEO actually.
Post by Chris Dugan
Post by david
And you get a FREE tx (okay, so we're giving tx's to the great unwashed,
but
Post by david
so will any model shop). AND you get an engine for £25. Okay, so maybe
it's a rotter...but it might not be?!
All in all, it seems to be a good thing to me. The BMFA should have had
more vision.
My son will be building this. He'll be ready by the seasons end.
An engine for £25? got to be a MDS!
Chris
david
2005-02-17 12:49:19 UTC
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Thats good then!
David
Post by ray fisher
It's a LEO actually.
Post by Chris Dugan
Post by david
And you get a FREE tx (okay, so we're giving tx's to the great unwashed,
but
Post by david
so will any model shop). AND you get an engine for £25. Okay, so maybe
it's a rotter...but it might not be?!
All in all, it seems to be a good thing to me. The BMFA should have had
more vision.
My son will be building this. He'll be ready by the seasons end.
An engine for £25? got to be a MDS!
Chris
david
2005-02-17 08:39:31 UTC
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Post by Stephen Chalmers
Having said that, I've just checked-out the website...
http://www.deagostini.co.uk/spitfire/mag.php
"Learn to Fly Your Spitfire
Your magazines include all the knowledge you need to get your Spitfire
airborne. Packed with tips from expert model-makers, you'll learn to fly
your Spitfire and maximise its potential and the enjoyment you get out of
it."
But this is all true and possible.

The knowledge contained 'will' include the phrase "now join a club and the
BMFA and spend the next summer learning to fly properl;y. Meanwhile, build
the model spit then come back to it NEXT year".

If the BMFA had any business sense at all they'd have joined forces, popped
an application form in with each mag and 'convinced' the readers that
joining was the ONLY way to go. ONce again British head-up-arse syndrome
has snatched defeat from the golden jaws of opportunity.

All the knowledge to fly a Spitfire CAN be posted in a mag: it's the skill
which can't.

And where else could you buy a spit for 6 quid a weekk!! we should all buy
one.

Mind you, hope they publish the lot!!

David
Stephen Chalmers
2005-02-17 12:47:38 UTC
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Post by david
Post by Stephen Chalmers
Having said that, I've just checked-out the website...
http://www.deagostini.co.uk/spitfire/mag.php
"Learn to Fly Your Spitfire
Your magazines include all the knowledge you need to get your Spitfire
airborne. Packed with tips from expert model-makers, you'll learn to fly
your Spitfire and maximise its potential and the enjoyment you get out of
it."
But this is all true and possible.
The knowledge contained 'will' include the phrase "now join a club and the
BMFA and spend the next summer learning to fly properl;y. Meanwhile, build
the model spit then come back to it NEXT year".
Given that this company appear not to have responded to anyone's contact,
could you tell us precisely how you are privy to this *fact*? Do you have an
interest that you wish to declare?
Post by david
If the BMFA had any business sense at all they'd have joined forces, popped
an application form in with each mag and 'convinced' the readers that
joining was the ONLY way to go. ONce again British head-up-arse syndrome
has snatched defeat from the golden jaws of opportunity.
I don't see how the BMFA could have taken the opportunity so to do, unless
they had been pre-warned of the intention to publish this series. Given that
the publishers are interested in one thing only, I doubt that they would
have been amenable to any co-operation of that nature, as inevitably it
would elighten buyers to the reality of what they were trying to do.
Post by david
All the knowledge to fly a Spitfire CAN be posted in a mag: it's the skill
which can't.
I agree, but I don't see words to that effect in the advertising.
Post by david
And where else could you buy a spit for 6 quid a weekk!!
Simple. Get yourself an empty jam jar and every week for forty weeks drop
six quid into it.
You should have enough over for a BMFA subscription.
Post by david
we should all buy one.
Now I'm really getting suspicious....
--
S.C.

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david
2005-02-17 12:55:48 UTC
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Post by Stephen Chalmers
Post by david
The knowledge contained 'will' include the phrase "now join a club and the
BMFA and spend the next summer learning to fly properl;y. Meanwhile,
build
Post by david
the model spit then come back to it NEXT year".
Given that this company appear not to have responded to anyone's contact,
could you tell us precisely how you are privy to this *fact*? Do you have an
interest that you wish to declare?
I dont know any facts, it was slightly TIC, hence the " ' ' " round the word
"will".

I have an interest in flying!
Post by Stephen Chalmers
Post by david
If the BMFA had any business sense at all they'd have joined forces,
popped
Post by david
an application form in with each mag and 'convinced' the readers that
joining was the ONLY way to go. ONce again British head-up-arse syndrome
has snatched defeat from the golden jaws of opportunity.
I don't see how the BMFA could have taken the opportunity so to do, unless
they had been pre-warned of the intention to publish this series. Given that
the publishers are interested in one thing only, I doubt that they would
have been amenable to any co-operation of that nature, as inevitably it
would elighten buyers to the reality of what they were trying to do.
I agree entirely. But the previous poster told us the BMFA had washed their
hands of it, so they must, by imlication, have had some knowledge or
dealings. It was that implication I was answering.

And there is no reason why the publishers wouldnt have accepted a drop in
flyer insert.
Post by Stephen Chalmers
Post by david
All the knowledge to fly a Spitfire CAN be posted in a mag: it's the skill
which can't.
I agree, but I don't see words to that effect in the advertising.
Then read it again. It says that "with patience and time" or something like
that, "you can learn to fly this model" (ditto). How plain can they make it
and still sell mags???

Seems no different from RCME splashing "build this scale corsair" or
something on their cover. Yes, one could build the cosair, but not by
reading the mag!
Post by Stephen Chalmers
Post by david
And where else could you buy a spit for 6 quid a weekk!!
Simple. Get yourself an empty jam jar and every week for forty weeks drop
six quid into it.
You should have enough over for a BMFA subscription.
Well, touche!
Post by Stephen Chalmers
Post by david
we should all buy one.
Now I'm really getting suspicious....
No, dont. I'm only trying to see the good side to this, and I think there
is one. My son will get the mag, be encouraged to read, AND end up with a
spitfire! Two actually...I'll copy the pieces!

David
david
2005-02-17 08:41:18 UTC
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Post by Stephen Chalmers
"Learn to Fly Your Spitfire
Your magazines include all the knowledge you need to get your Spitfire
airborne. Packed with tips from expert model-makers, you'll learn to fly
your Spitfire and maximise its potential and the enjoyment you get out of
it."
Actually, it says

"The magazine provides the basics that you need to know about building and
flying your Spitfire. With dedication and time, you can learn to be a
competent pilot and become a radio-controlled plane ace!"

Where's the gripe?

D
Stephen Chalmers
2005-02-17 12:31:06 UTC
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Post by david
Post by Stephen Chalmers
"Learn to Fly Your Spitfire
Your magazines include all the knowledge you need to get your Spitfire
airborne. Packed with tips from expert model-makers, you'll learn to fly
your Spitfire and maximise its potential and the enjoyment you get out of
it."
Actually, it says
"The magazine provides the basics that you need to know about building and
flying your Spitfire. With dedication and time, you can learn to be a
competent pilot and become a radio-controlled plane ace!"
Where's the gripe?
D
"The magazine provides the basics that you need to know about building and
flying your Spitfire.
To a rookie that could be highly misleading, irrespective of whatever
warnings may appear subsequently in the magazine. Inevitably there can be
only one inference; that one has only to read a magazine and one will know
all one needs to be competent with a virtual pylon racer.
If you Google on: deagostini +BMFA, you'll see it has all been said.
--
S.C.
romelluk
2005-02-18 00:32:01 UTC
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Dear David

Is there anything else you're in the market for? If you think a Spifire you
put together over 60 weeks and costs over £300 is a good deal I've got
plenty of things you can buy.
If you think that this Spitfire is a good model for a novice (Yes, it must
be a novice. No one with any idea would even contemplate the project at
these prices) to fly, then I question your basic knowledge of the sport.

This commercial rip off will do nothing but harm - it will lose us potential
modellers not encourage them.

Romelluk
Post by david
Post by Stephen Chalmers
"Learn to Fly Your Spitfire
Your magazines include all the knowledge you need to get your Spitfire
airborne. Packed with tips from expert model-makers, you'll learn to fly
your Spitfire and maximise its potential and the enjoyment you get out of
it."
Actually, it says
"The magazine provides the basics that you need to know about building and
flying your Spitfire. With dedication and time, you can learn to be a
competent pilot and become a radio-controlled plane ace!"
Where's the gripe?
D
JJ
2005-02-17 13:38:37 UTC
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Post by Terry Jones
On the TV tonight was an advert for one of those magazines that come
with a bit of a model every week. This one is an IC powered remote
control Spitfire.
I suppose on one hand it is encouraging people to build but on the
other a Spitfire is hardly the easiest model to fly is it? These
things always look very expensive to me, £5.99 for 40 weeks or
something like that.
What does everyone else think?
Terry
£240 for the model sans radio gear and engine? sounds a tad pricey to me...

however, the introductory issue has the prop & spinner (?) for £2.99

not a bad deal if you want a spare prop ;-)

J
John Privett
2005-02-17 22:04:05 UTC
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Post by JJ
£240 for the model sans radio gear and engine? sounds a tad pricey to me...
Just seen the ad myself - and it's SIXTY weeks at 6 quid a go. So £360 -
even worse! I'd still be fascinated to see the sales figures for these
deagostino publications. I strongly suspect that very few people actually
get to the end of any of their "projects".
--
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http://www.flyrc.org.uk/
I'm sick of spam, so replace 'nojunkthanks' with 'john' if you want me
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SC
2005-02-17 23:59:39 UTC
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Post by John Privett
even worse! I'd still be fascinated to see the sales figures for these
deagostino publications.
I have some insight into the numbers, your right, VERY few finish. We start
issue 1 with say 40K copies, by issue 10 its 6K copies.... goes down all the
way!

SC
John Privett
2005-02-18 23:11:27 UTC
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Post by SC
Post by John Privett
even worse! I'd still be fascinated to see the sales figures for
these deagostino publications.
I have some insight into the numbers, your right, VERY few finish. We
start issue 1 with say 40K copies, by issue 10 its 6K copies.... goes
down all the way!
That's an even quicker decline than I'd imagined! It must be very
de-motivating for the people who put these things together, to see the way
interest in their work declines so rapidly. And I've sometimes wondered, if
deagostino ceased production of one of these series half way through, would
anybody actually notice!

Maybe in April 2006 we'll be asking on the newgroups whether anyones
actually seen any of these models completed.
--
John P. - who flies on Epsom Downs, UK.
http://www.flyrc.org.uk/
I'm sick of spam, so replace 'nojunkthanks' with 'john' if you want me
to read any e-mailed reply!
The Natural Philosopher
2005-02-19 11:16:10 UTC
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Post by John Privett
Post by SC
Post by John Privett
even worse! I'd still be fascinated to see the sales figures for
these deagostino publications.
I have some insight into the numbers, your right, VERY few finish. We
start issue 1 with say 40K copies, by issue 10 its 6K copies.... goes
down all the way!
That's an even quicker decline than I'd imagined! It must be very
de-motivating for the people who put these things together, to see the way
interest in their work declines so rapidly. And I've sometimes wondered, if
deagostino ceased production of one of these series half way through, would
anybody actually notice!
Over the years I have seen various things like this offered.

They seem to go on for a bit, and thenvanish from teh newsagentrs shlves.

My guess is that no one actually ever finishes, or is intended to
finish, the series.

It's marekting scam really. Get into it, know that 99% of the people who
buy issue one, will never get past issue ten, and of those only 1% will
ever finish the model, because frankly, if you had the skills to do
that, you would have boiught a kit anyway. If you load teh bist that
come free so teh first issue looks a bargain, and you just get a few
ribs and a bit of balsa strip in issue 2-10, and leave the expensive
items till issue 30 plus....

As far as flying it goes - well... I would say there is a strong case
for taking this to the advertising standards authority, because the
chances of someone without club or buddy support, BMFA insurance, and a
bit of help, getting a 40 power spitty to fly as a first model are
slightly lower than the chance they will kill or seriously injure
themselves or someone else with it first.
Post by John Privett
Maybe in April 2006 we'll be asking on the newgroups whether anyones
actually seen any of these models completed.
I suspect we ought to work out who is behind it, and whether they are in
fact a company that has enough substance to sue. Or even whether a
flying prototyope exists, and who actually designed it.
Paul McIntosh
2005-02-19 18:19:02 UTC
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It would be hard to take them to the ad standards auth. without knowing what
they relate regarding flying the thing. If they say something like this
plane should only be operated by competent modelers, then they are off the
hook. If they only show you how the controls work, then there is a basis to
take them to task. Unfortunately, you would probably need to get to around
issue 55 before this is revealed to you.

I sent them an email asking how they instruct people to fly this plane. I
don't expect a reply.
--
Paul McIntosh
http://www.rc-bearings.com
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by John Privett
Post by SC
Post by John Privett
even worse! I'd still be fascinated to see the sales figures for
these deagostino publications.
I have some insight into the numbers, your right, VERY few finish. We
start issue 1 with say 40K copies, by issue 10 its 6K copies.... goes
down all the way!
That's an even quicker decline than I'd imagined! It must be very
de-motivating for the people who put these things together, to see the
way interest in their work declines so rapidly. And I've sometimes
wondered, if deagostino ceased production of one of these series half way
through, would anybody actually notice!
Over the years I have seen various things like this offered.
They seem to go on for a bit, and thenvanish from teh newsagentrs shlves.
My guess is that no one actually ever finishes, or is intended to finish,
the series.
It's marekting scam really. Get into it, know that 99% of the people who
buy issue one, will never get past issue ten, and of those only 1% will
ever finish the model, because frankly, if you had the skills to do that,
you would have boiught a kit anyway. If you load teh bist that come free
so teh first issue looks a bargain, and you just get a few ribs and a bit
of balsa strip in issue 2-10, and leave the expensive items till issue 30
plus....
As far as flying it goes - well... I would say there is a strong case for
taking this to the advertising standards authority, because the chances of
someone without club or buddy support, BMFA insurance, and a bit of help,
getting a 40 power spitty to fly as a first model are slightly lower than
the chance they will kill or seriously injure themselves or someone else
with it first.
Post by John Privett
Maybe in April 2006 we'll be asking on the newgroups whether anyones
actually seen any of these models completed.
I suspect we ought to work out who is behind it, and whether they are in
fact a company that has enough substance to sue. Or even whether a flying
prototyope exists, and who actually designed it.
ray fisher
2005-02-19 19:10:09 UTC
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They say in the introductory issue:
"You are advised to to learn to fly your radio-controlled Spitfire with an
experienced model-plane flyer or a recognised club"
Post by Paul McIntosh
It would be hard to take them to the ad standards auth. without knowing what
they relate regarding flying the thing. If they say something like this
plane should only be operated by competent modelers, then they are off the
hook. If they only show you how the controls work, then there is a basis to
take them to task. Unfortunately, you would probably need to get to around
issue 55 before this is revealed to you.
I sent them an email asking how they instruct people to fly this plane. I
don't expect a reply.
--
Paul McIntosh
http://www.rc-bearings.com
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by John Privett
Post by SC
Post by John Privett
even worse! I'd still be fascinated to see the sales figures for
these deagostino publications.
I have some insight into the numbers, your right, VERY few finish. We
start issue 1 with say 40K copies, by issue 10 its 6K copies.... goes
down all the way!
That's an even quicker decline than I'd imagined! It must be very
de-motivating for the people who put these things together, to see the
way interest in their work declines so rapidly. And I've sometimes
wondered, if deagostino ceased production of one of these series half way
through, would anybody actually notice!
Over the years I have seen various things like this offered.
They seem to go on for a bit, and thenvanish from teh newsagentrs shlves.
My guess is that no one actually ever finishes, or is intended to finish,
the series.
It's marekting scam really. Get into it, know that 99% of the people who
buy issue one, will never get past issue ten, and of those only 1% will
ever finish the model, because frankly, if you had the skills to do that,
you would have boiught a kit anyway. If you load teh bist that come free
so teh first issue looks a bargain, and you just get a few ribs and a bit
of balsa strip in issue 2-10, and leave the expensive items till issue 30
plus....
As far as flying it goes - well... I would say there is a strong case for
taking this to the advertising standards authority, because the chances of
someone without club or buddy support, BMFA insurance, and a bit of help,
getting a 40 power spitty to fly as a first model are slightly lower than
the chance they will kill or seriously injure themselves or someone else
with it first.
Post by John Privett
Maybe in April 2006 we'll be asking on the newgroups whether anyones
actually seen any of these models completed.
I suspect we ought to work out who is behind it, and whether they are in
fact a company that has enough substance to sue. Or even whether a flying
prototyope exists, and who actually designed it.
Stephen Chalmers
2005-02-19 19:33:36 UTC
Permalink
Post by ray fisher
"You are advised to to learn to fly your radio-controlled Spitfire with an
experienced model-plane flyer or a recognised club"
", which may entail being laughed off the field."

--
S.C.
Paul McIntosh
2005-02-20 23:57:42 UTC
Permalink
Amazing! They still fail to tell the whole story needed for learning to fly
a plane such as this. Having trained dozens of fliers, I can safely say
that about 1 in 1000 MAY be able to get through a maiden flight. I don't
know of any competent instructor that would even consider using this plane
for training.

So, the poor fool who goes through all the trouble to build this plane is
faced with a very short flight and devastating crash, or having to
build/borrow a trainer and learn to fly before ever hoping to successfully
fly this plane.

That sure isn't the impression they are trying to convey with the
advertisments.
--
Paul McIntosh
http://www.rc-bearings.com
Post by ray fisher
"You are advised to to learn to fly your radio-controlled Spitfire with an
experienced model-plane flyer or a recognised club"
Post by Paul McIntosh
It would be hard to take them to the ad standards auth. without knowing
what
Post by Paul McIntosh
they relate regarding flying the thing. If they say something like this
plane should only be operated by competent modelers, then they are off the
hook. If they only show you how the controls work, then there is a basis
to
Post by Paul McIntosh
take them to task. Unfortunately, you would probably need to get to
around
Post by Paul McIntosh
issue 55 before this is revealed to you.
I sent them an email asking how they instruct people to fly this plane.
I
don't expect a reply.
--
Paul McIntosh
http://www.rc-bearings.com
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by John Privett
Post by SC
Post by John Privett
even worse! I'd still be fascinated to see the sales figures for
these deagostino publications.
I have some insight into the numbers, your right, VERY few finish. We
start issue 1 with say 40K copies, by issue 10 its 6K copies.... goes
down all the way!
That's an even quicker decline than I'd imagined! It must be very
de-motivating for the people who put these things together, to see the
way interest in their work declines so rapidly. And I've sometimes
wondered, if deagostino ceased production of one of these series half
way
Post by Paul McIntosh
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by John Privett
through, would anybody actually notice!
Over the years I have seen various things like this offered.
They seem to go on for a bit, and thenvanish from teh newsagentrs
shlves.
Post by Paul McIntosh
Post by The Natural Philosopher
My guess is that no one actually ever finishes, or is intended to
finish,
Post by Paul McIntosh
Post by The Natural Philosopher
the series.
It's marekting scam really. Get into it, know that 99% of the people who
buy issue one, will never get past issue ten, and of those only 1% will
ever finish the model, because frankly, if you had the skills to do
that,
Post by Paul McIntosh
Post by The Natural Philosopher
you would have boiught a kit anyway. If you load teh bist that come free
so teh first issue looks a bargain, and you just get a few ribs and a
bit
Post by Paul McIntosh
Post by The Natural Philosopher
of balsa strip in issue 2-10, and leave the expensive items till issue
30
Post by Paul McIntosh
Post by The Natural Philosopher
plus....
As far as flying it goes - well... I would say there is a strong case
for
Post by Paul McIntosh
Post by The Natural Philosopher
taking this to the advertising standards authority, because the chances
of
Post by Paul McIntosh
Post by The Natural Philosopher
someone without club or buddy support, BMFA insurance, and a bit of
help,
Post by Paul McIntosh
Post by The Natural Philosopher
getting a 40 power spitty to fly as a first model are slightly lower
than
Post by Paul McIntosh
Post by The Natural Philosopher
the chance they will kill or seriously injure themselves or someone else
with it first.
Post by John Privett
Maybe in April 2006 we'll be asking on the newgroups whether anyones
actually seen any of these models completed.
I suspect we ought to work out who is behind it, and whether they are in
fact a company that has enough substance to sue. Or even whether a
flying
Post by Paul McIntosh
Post by The Natural Philosopher
prototyope exists, and who actually designed it.
Gavin
2005-02-21 20:06:52 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 23:57:42 -0000, "Paul McIntosh"
Post by Paul McIntosh
Amazing! They still fail to tell the whole story needed for learning to fly
a plane such as this. Having trained dozens of fliers, I can safely say
that about 1 in 1000 MAY be able to get through a maiden flight. I don't
know of any competent instructor that would even consider using this plane
for training.
So, the poor fool who goes through all the trouble to build this plane is
faced with a very short flight and devastating crash, or having to
build/borrow a trainer and learn to fly before ever hoping to successfully
fly this plane.
That sure isn't the impression they are trying to convey with the
advertisments.
I was thinking about buying it for the prop and spinner for £1.99 then
doubt I'll bother again. Having not seen it in person I've no idea if
it's worth it but assume that the bit's are standard rather than
custom moulded for the kit.
cm
2005-02-22 11:24:37 UTC
Permalink
I've just looked at it in my local newsagents. The prop and spinner look OK
for £2.00. You get a black prop that looks to be about 10x6 and an olive
green spinner. You also get a video on building and flying the spit, some
parts for the spit that could come in handy for repairs, some yellow tips
for the prop and some gumph.
I also noted that the engine and radio will be included (4 ch).
So in conclusion, issue one is probably good value to us!
CM
Post by Gavin
On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 23:57:42 -0000, "Paul McIntosh"
Post by Paul McIntosh
Amazing! They still fail to tell the whole story needed for learning to fly
a plane such as this. Having trained dozens of fliers, I can safely say
that about 1 in 1000 MAY be able to get through a maiden flight. I don't
know of any competent instructor that would even consider using this plane
for training.
So, the poor fool who goes through all the trouble to build this plane is
faced with a very short flight and devastating crash, or having to
build/borrow a trainer and learn to fly before ever hoping to
successfully
Post by Gavin
Post by Paul McIntosh
fly this plane.
That sure isn't the impression they are trying to convey with the
advertisments.
I was thinking about buying it for the prop and spinner for £1.99 then
doubt I'll bother again. Having not seen it in person I've no idea if
it's worth it but assume that the bit's are standard rather than
custom moulded for the kit.
Nick Beard
2005-02-22 00:36:17 UTC
Permalink
We would be inclined to tell them to F*** Off and build a trainer and spend
the next year learning to fly a model first, then a midwinger and then a
constant chord low winger. Just then after say 2.5 years, they may be up to
a Spit!!
Post by ray fisher
"You are advised to to learn to fly your radio-controlled Spitfire with an
experienced model-plane flyer or a recognised club"
Post by Paul McIntosh
It would be hard to take them to the ad standards auth. without knowing
what
Post by Paul McIntosh
they relate regarding flying the thing. If they say something like this
plane should only be operated by competent modelers, then they are off the
hook. If they only show you how the controls work, then there is a basis
to
Post by Paul McIntosh
take them to task. Unfortunately, you would probably need to get to
around
Post by Paul McIntosh
issue 55 before this is revealed to you.
I sent them an email asking how they instruct people to fly this plane.
I
don't expect a reply.
--
Paul McIntosh
http://www.rc-bearings.com
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by John Privett
Post by SC
Post by John Privett
even worse! I'd still be fascinated to see the sales figures for
these deagostino publications.
I have some insight into the numbers, your right, VERY few finish. We
start issue 1 with say 40K copies, by issue 10 its 6K copies.... goes
down all the way!
That's an even quicker decline than I'd imagined! It must be very
de-motivating for the people who put these things together, to see the
way interest in their work declines so rapidly. And I've sometimes
wondered, if deagostino ceased production of one of these series half
way
Post by Paul McIntosh
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by John Privett
through, would anybody actually notice!
Over the years I have seen various things like this offered.
They seem to go on for a bit, and thenvanish from teh newsagentrs
shlves.
Post by Paul McIntosh
Post by The Natural Philosopher
My guess is that no one actually ever finishes, or is intended to
finish,
Post by Paul McIntosh
Post by The Natural Philosopher
the series.
It's marekting scam really. Get into it, know that 99% of the people who
buy issue one, will never get past issue ten, and of those only 1% will
ever finish the model, because frankly, if you had the skills to do
that,
Post by Paul McIntosh
Post by The Natural Philosopher
you would have boiught a kit anyway. If you load teh bist that come free
so teh first issue looks a bargain, and you just get a few ribs and a
bit
Post by Paul McIntosh
Post by The Natural Philosopher
of balsa strip in issue 2-10, and leave the expensive items till issue
30
Post by Paul McIntosh
Post by The Natural Philosopher
plus....
As far as flying it goes - well... I would say there is a strong case
for
Post by Paul McIntosh
Post by The Natural Philosopher
taking this to the advertising standards authority, because the chances
of
Post by Paul McIntosh
Post by The Natural Philosopher
someone without club or buddy support, BMFA insurance, and a bit of
help,
Post by Paul McIntosh
Post by The Natural Philosopher
getting a 40 power spitty to fly as a first model are slightly lower
than
Post by Paul McIntosh
Post by The Natural Philosopher
the chance they will kill or seriously injure themselves or someone else
with it first.
Post by John Privett
Maybe in April 2006 we'll be asking on the newgroups whether anyones
actually seen any of these models completed.
I suspect we ought to work out who is behind it, and whether they are in
fact a company that has enough substance to sue. Or even whether a
flying
Post by Paul McIntosh
Post by The Natural Philosopher
prototyope exists, and who actually designed it.
Paul McIntosh
2005-02-22 07:40:24 UTC
Permalink
C'mon, Nick. If anyone I trained took that long I would consider myself a
failure. ;^) Skip the midwinger and go to a Kaos or Tiger II.
--
Paul McIntosh
http://www.rc-bearings.com
Post by Nick Beard
We would be inclined to tell them to F*** Off and build a trainer and
spend the next year learning to fly a model first, then a midwinger and
then a constant chord low winger. Just then after say 2.5 years, they may
be up to a Spit!!
Post by ray fisher
"You are advised to to learn to fly your radio-controlled Spitfire with an
experienced model-plane flyer or a recognised club"
Post by Paul McIntosh
It would be hard to take them to the ad standards auth. without knowing
what
Post by Paul McIntosh
they relate regarding flying the thing. If they say something like this
plane should only be operated by competent modelers, then they are off the
hook. If they only show you how the controls work, then there is a basis
to
Post by Paul McIntosh
take them to task. Unfortunately, you would probably need to get to
around
Post by Paul McIntosh
issue 55 before this is revealed to you.
I sent them an email asking how they instruct people to fly this plane.
I
don't expect a reply.
--
Paul McIntosh
http://www.rc-bearings.com
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by John Privett
Post by SC
Post by John Privett
even worse! I'd still be fascinated to see the sales figures for
these deagostino publications.
I have some insight into the numbers, your right, VERY few finish. We
start issue 1 with say 40K copies, by issue 10 its 6K copies.... goes
down all the way!
That's an even quicker decline than I'd imagined! It must be very
de-motivating for the people who put these things together, to see the
way interest in their work declines so rapidly. And I've sometimes
wondered, if deagostino ceased production of one of these series half
way
Post by Paul McIntosh
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by John Privett
through, would anybody actually notice!
Over the years I have seen various things like this offered.
They seem to go on for a bit, and thenvanish from teh newsagentrs
shlves.
Post by Paul McIntosh
Post by The Natural Philosopher
My guess is that no one actually ever finishes, or is intended to
finish,
Post by Paul McIntosh
Post by The Natural Philosopher
the series.
It's marekting scam really. Get into it, know that 99% of the people who
buy issue one, will never get past issue ten, and of those only 1% will
ever finish the model, because frankly, if you had the skills to do
that,
Post by Paul McIntosh
Post by The Natural Philosopher
you would have boiught a kit anyway. If you load teh bist that come free
so teh first issue looks a bargain, and you just get a few ribs and a
bit
Post by Paul McIntosh
Post by The Natural Philosopher
of balsa strip in issue 2-10, and leave the expensive items till issue
30
Post by Paul McIntosh
Post by The Natural Philosopher
plus....
As far as flying it goes - well... I would say there is a strong case
for
Post by Paul McIntosh
Post by The Natural Philosopher
taking this to the advertising standards authority, because the chances
of
Post by Paul McIntosh
Post by The Natural Philosopher
someone without club or buddy support, BMFA insurance, and a bit of
help,
Post by Paul McIntosh
Post by The Natural Philosopher
getting a 40 power spitty to fly as a first model are slightly lower
than
Post by Paul McIntosh
Post by The Natural Philosopher
the chance they will kill or seriously injure themselves or someone else
with it first.
Post by John Privett
Maybe in April 2006 we'll be asking on the newgroups whether anyones
actually seen any of these models completed.
I suspect we ought to work out who is behind it, and whether they are in
fact a company that has enough substance to sue. Or even whether a
flying
Post by Paul McIntosh
Post by The Natural Philosopher
prototyope exists, and who actually designed it.
Nick Beard
2005-02-23 09:33:09 UTC
Permalink
Ok, at least an Acrowot with a good 60 on the front!
Post by Paul McIntosh
C'mon, Nick. If anyone I trained took that long I would consider myself a
failure. ;^) Skip the midwinger and go to a Kaos or Tiger II.
--
Paul McIntosh
http://www.rc-bearings.com
Post by Nick Beard
We would be inclined to tell them to F*** Off and build a trainer and
spend the next year learning to fly a model first, then a midwinger and
then a constant chord low winger. Just then after say 2.5 years, they may
be up to a Spit!!
Post by ray fisher
"You are advised to to learn to fly your radio-controlled Spitfire with an
experienced model-plane flyer or a recognised club"
Post by Paul McIntosh
It would be hard to take them to the ad standards auth. without knowing
what
Post by Paul McIntosh
they relate regarding flying the thing. If they say something like this
plane should only be operated by competent modelers, then they are off the
hook. If they only show you how the controls work, then there is a basis
to
Post by Paul McIntosh
take them to task. Unfortunately, you would probably need to get to
around
Post by Paul McIntosh
issue 55 before this is revealed to you.
I sent them an email asking how they instruct people to fly this plane.
I
don't expect a reply.
--
Paul McIntosh
http://www.rc-bearings.com
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by John Privett
Post by SC
Post by John Privett
even worse! I'd still be fascinated to see the sales figures for
these deagostino publications.
I have some insight into the numbers, your right, VERY few finish. We
start issue 1 with say 40K copies, by issue 10 its 6K copies.... goes
down all the way!
That's an even quicker decline than I'd imagined! It must be very
de-motivating for the people who put these things together, to see the
way interest in their work declines so rapidly. And I've sometimes
wondered, if deagostino ceased production of one of these series half
way
Post by Paul McIntosh
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by John Privett
through, would anybody actually notice!
Over the years I have seen various things like this offered.
They seem to go on for a bit, and thenvanish from teh newsagentrs
shlves.
Post by Paul McIntosh
Post by The Natural Philosopher
My guess is that no one actually ever finishes, or is intended to
finish,
Post by Paul McIntosh
Post by The Natural Philosopher
the series.
It's marekting scam really. Get into it, know that 99% of the people who
buy issue one, will never get past issue ten, and of those only 1% will
ever finish the model, because frankly, if you had the skills to do
that,
Post by Paul McIntosh
Post by The Natural Philosopher
you would have boiught a kit anyway. If you load teh bist that come free
so teh first issue looks a bargain, and you just get a few ribs and a
bit
Post by Paul McIntosh
Post by The Natural Philosopher
of balsa strip in issue 2-10, and leave the expensive items till issue
30
Post by Paul McIntosh
Post by The Natural Philosopher
plus....
As far as flying it goes - well... I would say there is a strong case
for
Post by Paul McIntosh
Post by The Natural Philosopher
taking this to the advertising standards authority, because the chances
of
Post by Paul McIntosh
Post by The Natural Philosopher
someone without club or buddy support, BMFA insurance, and a bit of
help,
Post by Paul McIntosh
Post by The Natural Philosopher
getting a 40 power spitty to fly as a first model are slightly lower
than
Post by Paul McIntosh
Post by The Natural Philosopher
the chance they will kill or seriously injure themselves or someone else
with it first.
Post by John Privett
Maybe in April 2006 we'll be asking on the newgroups whether anyones
actually seen any of these models completed.
I suspect we ought to work out who is behind it, and whether they are in
fact a company that has enough substance to sue. Or even whether a
flying
Post by Paul McIntosh
Post by The Natural Philosopher
prototyope exists, and who actually designed it.
Technical
2005-02-27 19:55:16 UTC
Permalink
Well, I would!! And if they did, I'd be looking for my money back as
they hadn't fulfilled their obligation.

So far I'm 10 issues away from completing two Nitro Racer Cars.

I now have the Monster Nitro Truck and the Spitfire on its way.

Yes, It may not be everyones 'cup of tea' depending on how you look at
it, BUT, not everyone has the money to fork out in one go. This way,
I get what I want spread out over a year and I also get to put
everything together myself in a structured way (so far, so good with
the Nitro Car) which gives me valuable building experience.

Declan

On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 23:11:27 -0000, "John Privett"
Post by John Privett
Post by SC
Post by John Privett
even worse! I'd still be fascinated to see the sales figures for
these deagostino publications.
I have some insight into the numbers, your right, VERY few finish. We
start issue 1 with say 40K copies, by issue 10 its 6K copies.... goes
down all the way!
That's an even quicker decline than I'd imagined! It must be very
de-motivating for the people who put these things together, to see the way
interest in their work declines so rapidly. And I've sometimes wondered, if
deagostino ceased production of one of these series half way through, would
anybody actually notice!
Maybe in April 2006 we'll be asking on the newgroups whether anyones
actually seen any of these models completed.
Regards

Declan Barry
Technical
2005-02-27 20:09:29 UTC
Permalink
Just a followup.

I don't intend to fly it until I've finished with the Thunder Tiger
trainer and the Travel Air..

Okay, I'm still a novice and people may say 'has no brains' but the
one thing I would agree on is that I wouldn't even consider flying a
Spit as a first aircraft. Hopefully by mid Summer, I'll be flying the
Travel Air and MAYBE sometime next year, MAY fly the Spitfire but I
will ask for assistance from a more experienced member of our club

Declan


On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 19:55:16 +0000, Technical
Post by Technical
Well, I would!! And if they did, I'd be looking for my money back as
they hadn't fulfilled their obligation.
So far I'm 10 issues away from completing two Nitro Racer Cars.
I now have the Monster Nitro Truck and the Spitfire on its way.
Yes, It may not be everyones 'cup of tea' depending on how you look at
it, BUT, not everyone has the money to fork out in one go. This way,
I get what I want spread out over a year and I also get to put
everything together myself in a structured way (so far, so good with
the Nitro Car) which gives me valuable building experience.
Declan
On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 23:11:27 -0000, "John Privett"
Post by John Privett
Post by SC
Post by John Privett
even worse! I'd still be fascinated to see the sales figures for
these deagostino publications.
I have some insight into the numbers, your right, VERY few finish. We
start issue 1 with say 40K copies, by issue 10 its 6K copies.... goes
down all the way!
That's an even quicker decline than I'd imagined! It must be very
de-motivating for the people who put these things together, to see the way
interest in their work declines so rapidly. And I've sometimes wondered, if
deagostino ceased production of one of these series half way through, would
anybody actually notice!
Maybe in April 2006 we'll be asking on the newgroups whether anyones
actually seen any of these models completed.
Regards
Declan Barry
Regards

Declan Barry
Malcolm Fisher
2005-02-27 20:23:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by Technical
Just a followup.
I don't intend to fly it until I've finished with the Thunder Tiger
trainer and the Travel Air..
Okay, I'm still a novice and people may say 'has no brains' but the
one thing I would agree on is that I wouldn't even consider flying a
Spit as a first aircraft. Hopefully by mid Summer, I'll be flying the
Travel Air and MAYBE sometime next year, MAY fly the Spitfire but I
will ask for assistance from a more experienced member of our club
Declan
Good luck with it Declan - I hope you manage to get ALL the issues to
complete the project.

Please keep a record of what happens, how the build goes, and let us all
know - especially when it gets airborne whoever is at the controls -
hopefully you in the fullness of time.

I admire your determination to "stick with it".

Malcolm
Post by Technical
On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 19:55:16 +0000, Technical
Post by Technical
Well, I would!! And if they did, I'd be looking for my money back as
they hadn't fulfilled their obligation.
So far I'm 10 issues away from completing two Nitro Racer Cars.
I now have the Monster Nitro Truck and the Spitfire on its way.
Yes, It may not be everyones 'cup of tea' depending on how you look at
it, BUT, not everyone has the money to fork out in one go. This way,
I get what I want spread out over a year and I also get to put
everything together myself in a structured way (so far, so good with
the Nitro Car) which gives me valuable building experience.
Declan
On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 23:11:27 -0000, "John Privett"
Post by John Privett
Post by SC
Post by John Privett
even worse! I'd still be fascinated to see the sales figures for
these deagostino publications.
I have some insight into the numbers, your right, VERY few finish. We
start issue 1 with say 40K copies, by issue 10 its 6K copies.... goes
down all the way!
That's an even quicker decline than I'd imagined! It must be very
de-motivating for the people who put these things together, to see the way
interest in their work declines so rapidly. And I've sometimes wondered, if
deagostino ceased production of one of these series half way through, would
anybody actually notice!
Maybe in April 2006 we'll be asking on the newgroups whether anyones
actually seen any of these models completed.
Regards
Declan Barry
Regards
Declan Barry
Technical
2005-02-27 22:44:45 UTC
Permalink
Hi Malcolm

Hopefully Deagostini will keep up their side of the bargain. I know
people say it is expensive(ish) this way but when finances dictate
you have to move in mysterious circles.

Declan

On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 20:23:32 -0000, "Malcolm Fisher"
Post by Malcolm Fisher
Post by Technical
Just a followup.
I don't intend to fly it until I've finished with the Thunder Tiger
trainer and the Travel Air..
Okay, I'm still a novice and people may say 'has no brains' but the
one thing I would agree on is that I wouldn't even consider flying a
Spit as a first aircraft. Hopefully by mid Summer, I'll be flying the
Travel Air and MAYBE sometime next year, MAY fly the Spitfire but I
will ask for assistance from a more experienced member of our club
Declan
Good luck with it Declan - I hope you manage to get ALL the issues to
complete the project.
Please keep a record of what happens, how the build goes, and let us all
know - especially when it gets airborne whoever is at the controls -
hopefully you in the fullness of time.
I admire your determination to "stick with it".
Malcolm
Post by Technical
On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 19:55:16 +0000, Technical
Post by Technical
Well, I would!! And if they did, I'd be looking for my money back as
they hadn't fulfilled their obligation.
So far I'm 10 issues away from completing two Nitro Racer Cars.
I now have the Monster Nitro Truck and the Spitfire on its way.
Yes, It may not be everyones 'cup of tea' depending on how you look at
it, BUT, not everyone has the money to fork out in one go. This way,
I get what I want spread out over a year and I also get to put
everything together myself in a structured way (so far, so good with
the Nitro Car) which gives me valuable building experience.
Declan
On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 23:11:27 -0000, "John Privett"
Post by John Privett
Post by SC
Post by John Privett
even worse! I'd still be fascinated to see the sales figures for
these deagostino publications.
I have some insight into the numbers, your right, VERY few finish. We
start issue 1 with say 40K copies, by issue 10 its 6K copies.... goes
down all the way!
That's an even quicker decline than I'd imagined! It must be very
de-motivating for the people who put these things together, to see the
way
Post by Technical
Post by Technical
Post by John Privett
interest in their work declines so rapidly. And I've sometimes
wondered, if
Post by Technical
Post by Technical
Post by John Privett
deagostino ceased production of one of these series half way through,
would
Post by Technical
Post by Technical
Post by John Privett
anybody actually notice!
Maybe in April 2006 we'll be asking on the newgroups whether anyones
actually seen any of these models completed.
Regards
Declan Barry
Regards
Declan Barry
Regards

Declan Barry
The Natural Philosopher
2005-02-27 23:05:50 UTC
Permalink
Post by Technical
Hi Malcolm
Hopefully Deagostini will keep up their side of the bargain. I know
people say it is expensive(ish) this way but when finances dictate
you have to move in mysterious circles.
A credit card and monthly repayments would be cheaper...
Post by Technical
Declan
On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 20:23:32 -0000, "Malcolm Fisher"
Post by Malcolm Fisher
Post by Technical
Just a followup.
I don't intend to fly it until I've finished with the Thunder Tiger
trainer and the Travel Air..
Okay, I'm still a novice and people may say 'has no brains' but the
one thing I would agree on is that I wouldn't even consider flying a
Spit as a first aircraft. Hopefully by mid Summer, I'll be flying the
Travel Air and MAYBE sometime next year, MAY fly the Spitfire but I
will ask for assistance from a more experienced member of our club
Declan
Good luck with it Declan - I hope you manage to get ALL the issues to
complete the project.
Please keep a record of what happens, how the build goes, and let us all
know - especially when it gets airborne whoever is at the controls -
hopefully you in the fullness of time.
I admire your determination to "stick with it".
Malcolm
Post by Technical
On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 19:55:16 +0000, Technical
Post by Technical
Well, I would!! And if they did, I'd be looking for my money back as
they hadn't fulfilled their obligation.
So far I'm 10 issues away from completing two Nitro Racer Cars.
I now have the Monster Nitro Truck and the Spitfire on its way.
Yes, It may not be everyones 'cup of tea' depending on how you look at
it, BUT, not everyone has the money to fork out in one go. This way,
I get what I want spread out over a year and I also get to put
everything together myself in a structured way (so far, so good with
the Nitro Car) which gives me valuable building experience.
Declan
On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 23:11:27 -0000, "John Privett"
Post by John Privett
Post by SC
Post by John Privett
even worse! I'd still be fascinated to see the sales figures for
these deagostino publications.
I have some insight into the numbers, your right, VERY few finish. We
start issue 1 with say 40K copies, by issue 10 its 6K copies.... goes
down all the way!
That's an even quicker decline than I'd imagined! It must be very
de-motivating for the people who put these things together, to see the
way
Post by Technical
Post by Technical
Post by John Privett
interest in their work declines so rapidly. And I've sometimes
wondered, if
Post by Technical
Post by Technical
Post by John Privett
deagostino ceased production of one of these series half way through,
would
Post by Technical
Post by Technical
Post by John Privett
anybody actually notice!
Maybe in April 2006 we'll be asking on the newgroups whether anyones
actually seen any of these models completed.
Regards
Declan Barry
Regards
Declan Barry
Regards
Declan Barry
"KGB" (KGB)
2005-02-28 10:00:44 UTC
Permalink
Post by The Natural Philosopher
Post by Technical
Hi Malcolm
Hopefully Deagostini will keep up their side of the bargain. I know
people say it is expensive(ish) this way but when finances dictate
you have to move in mysterious circles.
A credit card and monthly repayments would be cheaper...
.....Especially with one of the interest free credit deals regularly
on offer from some credit card companies.

Regards
KGB
Malcolm Fisher
2005-02-27 23:09:49 UTC
Permalink
Post by Technical
Hi Malcolm
Hopefully Deagostini will keep up their side of the bargain. I know
people say it is expensive(ish) this way but when finances dictate
you have to move in mysterious circles.
Declan
Hi Declan.

I know about that - used to carve my own propellers so that I could buy fuel
with my meagre paper round money.

Malcolm
Greg Middleton
2005-02-28 00:18:10 UTC
Permalink
Post by Technical
Well, I would!! And if they did, I'd be looking for my money back as
they hadn't fulfilled their obligation.
So far I'm 10 issues away from completing two Nitro Racer Cars.
I now have the Monster Nitro Truck and the Spitfire on its way.
Yes, It may not be everyones 'cup of tea' depending on how you look at
it, BUT, not everyone has the money to fork out in one go. This way,
I get what I want spread out over a year and I also get to put
everything together myself in a structured way (so far, so good with
the Nitro Car) which gives me valuable building experience.
Declan
I don't intend to fly it until I've finished with the Thunder Tiger
trainer and the Travel Air..
I've kept out of this thread but this takes the biscuit!, you can afford to
pay several times the going rate for two nitro cars and a spit in a million
installments, and at the same time build two other planes, but can't afford
to just buy one kit at a fraction of the price and build that!.

Or you could take a plan from a mag (there's a huricane in this months RC
Model World for the magnificent sum of £3.40) and buy a few pounds worth of
balsa and ply and get proper building experience.

Greg
romelluk
2005-02-28 07:07:07 UTC
Permalink
For goodness sake Greg!

Don't apply logic to Declans' posts - it gets in the way of his story

Romelluk
Post by Greg Middleton
Post by Technical
Well, I would!! And if they did, I'd be looking for my money back as
they hadn't fulfilled their obligation.
So far I'm 10 issues away from completing two Nitro Racer Cars.
I now have the Monster Nitro Truck and the Spitfire on its way.
Yes, It may not be everyones 'cup of tea' depending on how you look at
it, BUT, not everyone has the money to fork out in one go. This way,
I get what I want spread out over a year and I also get to put
everything together myself in a structured way (so far, so good with
the Nitro Car) which gives me valuable building experience.
Declan
I don't intend to fly it until I've finished with the Thunder Tiger
trainer and the Travel Air..
I've kept out of this thread but this takes the biscuit!, you can afford to
pay several times the going rate for two nitro cars and a spit in a million
installments, and at the same time build two other planes, but can't afford
to just buy one kit at a fraction of the price and build that!.
Or you could take a plan from a mag (there's a huricane in this months RC
Model World for the magnificent sum of £3.40) and buy a few pounds worth of
balsa and ply and get proper building experience.
Greg
Greg Middleton
2005-03-01 00:11:46 UTC
Permalink
Post by romelluk
For goodness sake Greg!
Don't apply logic to Declans' posts - it gets in the way of his story
Ah, I see, you'll have to forgive me for not knowing who's who around here
as I've been away from this group for a long while 8-)

Greg
t***@nowhere.at-all.net
2005-02-28 19:35:56 UTC
Permalink
Post by Greg Middleton
Post by Technical
Well, I would!! And if they did, I'd be looking for my money back as
they hadn't fulfilled their obligation.
So far I'm 10 issues away from completing two Nitro Racer Cars.
I now have the Monster Nitro Truck and the Spitfire on its way.
Yes, It may not be everyones 'cup of tea' depending on how you look at
it, BUT, not everyone has the money to fork out in one go. This way,
I get what I want spread out over a year and I also get to put
everything together myself in a structured way (so far, so good with
the Nitro Car) which gives me valuable building experience.
Declan
I don't intend to fly it until I've finished with the Thunder Tiger
trainer and the Travel Air..
I've kept out of this thread but this takes the biscuit!, you can afford to
pay several times the going rate for two nitro cars and a spit in a million
installments, and at the same time build two other planes, but can't afford
to just buy one kit at a fraction of the price and build that!.
Or you could take a plan from a mag (there's a huricane in this months RC
Model World for the magnificent sum of £3.40) and buy a few pounds worth of
balsa and ply and get proper building experience.
Greg
Ah but, we are all being urged to take more exercise and walking is
advocated as one of the best means of improving our fitness levels.

Now if our young sprog walks to the newsagent, and assuming that said
newsagent is a goodly distance away, its just possible that he could
improve his general fitness without attending a health and fitness club,
thus saving a few hundred quid each year.

It could thus be seen that the magazine publishere were in fact offering
a useful public service...... (or not) >:-)

Alternatively I think your suggestion of buying a plan and some balsa
has considerable merit, assuming the model shop is some distance away
then regular trips to spend a small amount each time would also give
very beneficial improvements healthwise... small expenditure, regular
installments and *considerable* saving cashwise.

How much are 2 nitro cars a "monster truck" and now a spitfire going to
cost our young sprog?

What happens if the number of mags sold steadily declines due to loss
of interest... do the publishers suddenly stop and leave the few
remaining punters stranded mid-model ?

Reg
Technical
2005-03-02 20:46:14 UTC
Permalink
Hi Greg..

Yes, I get your point and I have to be honest. After reading all the
post and jotting down figures, the Spitfire and the Nitro Truck idea
will more than likely be binned and as you say, go to one of the
online model shops and buck it all on the credit card.

Can get the truck at least £100 cheaper and it is built for me but
that takes the fun out of it.

Off to look at some of the online shops now.

Declan

On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 00:18:10 -0000, "Greg Middleton"
Post by Greg Middleton
Post by Technical
Well, I would!! And if they did, I'd be looking for my money back as
they hadn't fulfilled their obligation.
So far I'm 10 issues away from completing two Nitro Racer Cars.
I now have the Monster Nitro Truck and the Spitfire on its way.
Yes, It may not be everyones 'cup of tea' depending on how you look at
it, BUT, not everyone has the money to fork out in one go. This way,
I get what I want spread out over a year and I also get to put
everything together myself in a structured way (so far, so good with
the Nitro Car) which gives me valuable building experience.
Declan
I don't intend to fly it until I've finished with the Thunder Tiger
trainer and the Travel Air..
I've kept out of this thread but this takes the biscuit!, you can afford to
pay several times the going rate for two nitro cars and a spit in a million
installments, and at the same time build two other planes, but can't afford
to just buy one kit at a fraction of the price and build that!.
Or you could take a plan from a mag (there's a huricane in this months RC
Model World for the magnificent sum of £3.40) and buy a few pounds worth of
balsa and ply and get proper building experience.
Greg
Regards

Declan Barry
Greg Middleton
2005-03-05 01:09:59 UTC
Permalink
Post by Technical
Can get the truck at least £100 cheaper and it is built for me but
that takes the fun out of it.
I agree that ready built does take the fun out of it, I've put together one
or two cars in my time and thoroughly enjoyed the assembly but now it seems
it's ready built or nothing in most shops. Even an ARTF gives a few evenings
of enjoyment but a car that you just drive out of the box does little for
me.

Greg
Peter Fairbrother
2005-03-02 22:13:33 UTC
Permalink
Or you could [...] buy a few pounds worth of
balsa and ply and get proper building experience.
Balsa-and-ply?

What happened to carbon/epoxy composites, and expanded polypropylene?

Or even brown paper and PVA over polystyrene foam, if you are totally skint?

You can always find some packing foam for free, and use sandpaper and a
bread knife or hacksaw blade to shape it - the blade, sandpaper, brown paper
and PVA for a large model will cost less than a fiver? Heck, you can always
get everything except the PVA for free, and they might have that in school?

(though I do use ply from time to time - and balsa too :)



-- Peter Fairbrother

Not hearing anymore
Just the shrieks from the old rich
Malcolm Fisher
2005-03-03 20:07:23 UTC
Permalink
Post by Peter Fairbrother
Or you could [...] buy a few pounds worth of
balsa and ply and get proper building experience.
Balsa-and-ply?
What happened to carbon/epoxy composites, and expanded polypropylene?
Or even brown paper and PVA over polystyrene foam, if you are totally skint?
You can always find some packing foam for free, and use sandpaper and a
bread knife or hacksaw blade to shape it - the blade, sandpaper, brown paper
and PVA for a large model will cost less than a fiver? Heck, you can always
get everything except the PVA for free, and they might have that in school?
(though I do use ply from time to time - and balsa too :)
-- Peter Fairbrother
Not hearing anymore
Just the shrieks from the old rich
Are you, like me, a Yorkshire man?

You give that impression :-)))

Malcolm
Greg Middleton
2005-03-05 01:15:17 UTC
Permalink
Post by Peter Fairbrother
Balsa-and-ply?
What happened to carbon/epoxy composites, and expanded polypropylene?
Or even brown paper and PVA over polystyrene foam, if you are totally skint?
You can always find some packing foam for free, and use sandpaper and a
bread knife or hacksaw blade to shape it - the blade, sandpaper, brown paper
and PVA for a large model will cost less than a fiver? Heck, you can always
get everything except the PVA for free, and they might have that in school?
(though I do use ply from time to time - and balsa too :)
Yes you can use these materials and save a small amount, but frankly if you
can't afford the £10-20 for the materials for a 'free' plan then how can you
afford the engine, radio, fuel etc?. I'm a Yorkshire man but I do try to
keep things in proportion and if I'm going to invest a few weeks spare time
and £100 or more for radio and engine that could be written off by a crash
then I don't begrudge the relatively small outlay for decent materials,
bought at show prices mind, not at stupid shop prices 8-).

Greg
Malcolm Fisher
2005-03-07 20:46:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by Greg Middleton
Yes you can use these materials and save a small amount, but frankly if you
can't afford the £10-20 for the materials for a 'free' plan then how can you
afford the engine, radio, fuel etc?. I'm a Yorkshire man but I do try to
keep things in proportion and if I'm going to invest a few weeks spare time
and £100 or more for radio and engine that could be written off by a crash
then I don't begrudge the relatively small outlay for decent materials,
bought at show prices mind, not at stupid shop prices 8-).
Greg
I too, am a Yorkshireman and concurr with the adage that "a Yorkshireman is
a Scot with the generosity squeezed out" but don't consider that all shop
prices are "stupid".

If everyone takes that view all local shops will disappear and the people
who are left and currently underpricing local shops will be able to charge
what they want and prices will most likely go through the roof.

Just my two pennorth,

Malcolm
Greg Middleton
2005-03-07 21:21:47 UTC
Permalink
Post by Malcolm Fisher
I too, am a Yorkshireman and concurr with the adage that "a Yorkshireman is
a Scot with the generosity squeezed out" but don't consider that all shop
prices are "stupid".
If everyone takes that view all local shops will disappear and the people
who are left and currently underpricing local shops will be able to charge
what they want and prices will most likely go through the roof.
Just my two pennorth,
Except that the traders who do the best prices are those who move the volume
at the various shows and via post, they are competing with each other not
the local shops. The prices charged at my 3 locals are of no interest to Ali
for example!. They haven't relied on RC goods for years, one is now 3/4 a
toy shop and the other two have Airfix type plastic kits as far as eye can
see, generally they appear to be doing better for having adapted with two of
them expanded in recent years.

As far as I can see the future of RC retail is a very small number of
specialist who can shift the volumes to get the discounts (not an unfamiliar
situation), and these will continue to compete with each other as people are
more than happy to shop around, either via phone, web or model show. Yes I
will miss the old style model shops of my youth, popping in for a few little
bits, but let's face it they're mostly gone already, living near Filey I
already have to drive half way across the country to Leeds for a shop that's
likely to have what I need.

Compare it with grey goods, we have Currys, Comet or Powerhouse and all are
much of a much ness, then we have a couple of little local outfits trying to
sell a very small stock at higher prices, the big three aren't exactly
concerned about the little two 8-).

Greg
Malcolm Fisher
2005-03-07 22:12:15 UTC
Permalink
Post by Greg Middleton
Post by Malcolm Fisher
I too, am a Yorkshireman and concurr with the adage that "a Yorkshireman
is
Post by Malcolm Fisher
a Scot with the generosity squeezed out" but don't consider that all shop
prices are "stupid".
If everyone takes that view all local shops will disappear and the people
who are left and currently underpricing local shops will be able to charge
what they want and prices will most likely go through the roof.
Just my two pennorth,
Except that the traders who do the best prices are those who move the volume
at the various shows and via post, they are competing with each other not
the local shops. The prices charged at my 3 locals are of no interest to Ali
for example!. They haven't relied on RC goods for years, one is now 3/4 a
toy shop and the other two have Airfix type plastic kits as far as eye can
see, generally they appear to be doing better for having adapted with two of
them expanded in recent years.
As far as I can see the future of RC retail is a very small number of
specialist who can shift the volumes to get the discounts (not an unfamiliar
situation), and these will continue to compete with each other as people are
more than happy to shop around, either via phone, web or model show. Yes I
will miss the old style model shops of my youth, popping in for a few little
bits, but let's face it they're mostly gone already, living near Filey I
already have to drive half way across the country to Leeds for a shop that's
likely to have what I need.
Compare it with grey goods, we have Currys, Comet or Powerhouse and all are
much of a much ness, then we have a couple of little local outfits trying to
sell a very small stock at higher prices, the big three aren't exactly
concerned about the little two 8-).
Sadly you are right.

I am fortunate that, from the sound of things, you share the same model shop
as I use at Crossgates?

For me that is a round trip of ten miles.

Again this is sad as I used to have at least five model shops within that
distance and now there is only the one.

I dread that one ceasing to trade - I have dealt with them since the "model
shop" was a small corner in a newsagents and is now a still expanding two
storey establishment.

Perhaps we'll meet there one day - or have already, unknowingly, done so.

Malcolm
The Natural Philosopher
2005-03-08 09:19:36 UTC
Permalink
Post by Terry Jones
Post by Greg Middleton
Post by Malcolm Fisher
I too, am a Yorkshireman and concurr with the adage that "a Yorkshireman
is
Post by Malcolm Fisher
a Scot with the generosity squeezed out" but don't consider that all
shop
Post by Greg Middleton
Post by Malcolm Fisher
prices are "stupid".
If everyone takes that view all local shops will disappear and the
people
Post by Greg Middleton
Post by Malcolm Fisher
who are left and currently underpricing local shops will be able to
charge
Post by Greg Middleton
Post by Malcolm Fisher
what they want and prices will most likely go through the roof.
Just my two pennorth,
Except that the traders who do the best prices are those who move the
volume
Post by Greg Middleton
at the various shows and via post, they are competing with each other not
the local shops. The prices charged at my 3 locals are of no interest to
Ali
Post by Greg Middleton
for example!. They haven't relied on RC goods for years, one is now 3/4 a
toy shop and the other two have Airfix type plastic kits as far as eye can
see, generally they appear to be doing better for having adapted with two
of
Post by Greg Middleton
them expanded in recent years.
As far as I can see the future of RC retail is a very small number of
specialist who can shift the volumes to get the discounts (not an
unfamiliar
Post by Greg Middleton
situation), and these will continue to compete with each other as people
are
Post by Greg Middleton
more than happy to shop around, either via phone, web or model show. Yes I
will miss the old style model shops of my youth, popping in for a few
little
Post by Greg Middleton
bits, but let's face it they're mostly gone already, living near Filey I
already have to drive half way across the country to Leeds for a shop
that's
Post by Greg Middleton
likely to have what I need.
Compare it with grey goods, we have Currys, Comet or Powerhouse and all
are
Post by Greg Middleton
much of a much ness, then we have a couple of little local outfits trying
to
Post by Greg Middleton
sell a very small stock at higher prices, the big three aren't exactly
concerned about the little two 8-).
Sadly you are right.
I am fortunate that, from the sound of things, you share the same model shop
as I use at Crossgates?
For me that is a round trip of ten miles.
Again this is sad as I used to have at least five model shops within that
distance and now there is only the one.
Well I have one model shop 25 miles round trip, one at 50, and one at 85
miles.

So count yerself lucky.
Greg Middleton
2005-03-08 19:07:15 UTC
Permalink
Post by Malcolm Fisher
Sadly you are right.
I am fortunate that, from the sound of things, you share the same model shop
as I use at Crossgates?
Yes that's the only 'real' one that I use and it's 2.5 hours driving there
and back 8-(, hence I tend to stock up the shows in the summer and save
trips. There is quite a good one at Whitby if you're only interested in
aircraft (Aerofoil Service Products) but for me that's about the same drive.
Post by Malcolm Fisher
Perhaps we'll meet there one day - or have already, unknowingly, done so.
We may have done, who knows 8-).

Greg
Nik Beard
2005-03-07 23:38:05 UTC
Permalink
Greg, dont you use ASP at whitby? He's not too far and has some good stock,
well he did on my last visit.
Post by Greg Middleton
Post by Malcolm Fisher
I too, am a Yorkshireman and concurr with the adage that "a Yorkshireman
is
Post by Malcolm Fisher
a Scot with the generosity squeezed out" but don't consider that all shop
prices are "stupid".
If everyone takes that view all local shops will disappear and the people
who are left and currently underpricing local shops will be able to charge
what they want and prices will most likely go through the roof.
Just my two pennorth,
Except that the traders who do the best prices are those who move the volume
at the various shows and via post, they are competing with each other not
the local shops. The prices charged at my 3 locals are of no interest to Ali
for example!. They haven't relied on RC goods for years, one is now 3/4 a
toy shop and the other two have Airfix type plastic kits as far as eye can
see, generally they appear to be doing better for having adapted with two of
them expanded in recent years.
As far as I can see the future of RC retail is a very small number of
specialist who can shift the volumes to get the discounts (not an unfamiliar
situation), and these will continue to compete with each other as people are
more than happy to shop around, either via phone, web or model show. Yes I
will miss the old style model shops of my youth, popping in for a few little
bits, but let's face it they're mostly gone already, living near Filey I
already have to drive half way across the country to Leeds for a shop that's
likely to have what I need.
Compare it with grey goods, we have Currys, Comet or Powerhouse and all are
much of a much ness, then we have a couple of little local outfits trying to
sell a very small stock at higher prices, the big three aren't exactly
concerned about the little two 8-).
Greg
Greg Middleton
2005-03-08 19:11:28 UTC
Permalink
Post by Nik Beard
Greg, dont you use ASP at whitby? He's not too far and has some good stock,
well he did on my last visit
Yes I always frequent them at the shows and tend to buy engines from them,
but for me based near Filey
and having to drag through Scarborough to get to Whitby, it's easier and
quicker to go to Crossgates. They also cover the whole model spectrum and
I'm interested in boats, cars etc.

Greg

"KGB" (KGB)
2005-02-18 09:38:29 UTC
Permalink
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 22:04:05 -0000, "John Privett"
<***@flyrc.org.uk> wrote:
<SNIP>
Post by John Privett
I strongly suspect that very few people actually
get to the end of any of their "projects".
Hi

Oh I don't know - there are some gullible people around.

I, for example, I am the proud owner of probably the most expensive
"Complete Aviation Encyclopedia" in the World - bought at £1.50 per
week over 216 weeks (around 15 years ago).

Never been used - offers over £250 accepted!!!! 8^)

Regards

KGB
Nick Beard
2005-02-22 00:30:43 UTC
Permalink
Might as well get the Cambrian Fun Fighter spit which is the same size as
this for around 50 quid, 40 quid for a 25 lump and a decent radio for say
120, you can then for 250 tops build a 3lb flying missile which lands at a
scale speed of 400mph and will kill most things that get in its's way!!

This is typical of the ever debauched commercial world we live in, Now if it
had been a 1/6 scale cessna skylane or similar , that would be more feasable
and SAFER to boot!!

makes yer sick!!
Post by John Privett
Post by JJ
£240 for the model sans radio gear and engine? sounds a tad pricey to me...
Just seen the ad myself - and it's SIXTY weeks at 6 quid a go. So £360 -
even worse! I'd still be fascinated to see the sales figures for these
deagostino publications. I strongly suspect that very few people actually
get to the end of any of their "projects".
--
John P. - who flies on Epsom Downs, UK.
http://www.flyrc.org.uk/
I'm sick of spam, so replace 'nojunkthanks' with 'john' if you want me
to read any e-mailed reply!
Griff
2005-02-17 14:34:49 UTC
Permalink
Apparently the follow up model is a Magnum for those readers who fresh to
flying found the Spitfire a doddle to fly.

This one comes with a free dustpan and brush though.

Griff.
Nigel Heather
2005-02-17 19:32:01 UTC
Permalink
If you want a bit of a laugh go to this page

http://www.deagostini.co.uk/spitfire/construct.php

Watch the video on construction (3 or 4 minutes to download on a 512Kbps
Broadband).

Pay particular attention on where the expert applies the glue !!!!


Cheers,

Nigel
Texy
2005-02-22 20:45:55 UTC
Permalink
Putting the glue there ain't gonna stick nuffin !!!!
Well spotted.

Texy
Post by Nigel Heather
If you want a bit of a laugh go to this page
http://www.deagostini.co.uk/spitfire/construct.php
Watch the video on construction (3 or 4 minutes to download on a 512Kbps
Broadband).
Pay particular attention on where the expert applies the glue !!!!
Cheers,
Nigel
Duncan Telford
2005-02-22 21:02:47 UTC
Permalink
Hiya, newbie question :- why is putting the glue there not going to do
anything?

Duncan
Post by Texy
Putting the glue there ain't gonna stick nuffin !!!!
Well spotted.
Texy
Post by Nigel Heather
If you want a bit of a laugh go to this page
http://www.deagostini.co.uk/spitfire/construct.php
Watch the video on construction (3 or 4 minutes to download on a 512Kbps
Broadband).
Pay particular attention on where the expert applies the glue !!!!
Cheers,
Nigel
Paul McIntosh
2005-02-22 21:56:46 UTC
Permalink
He is not a modeler but he plays one on TV.
--
Paul McIntosh
http://www.rc-bearings.com
Post by Duncan Telford
Hiya, newbie question :- why is putting the glue there not going to do
anything?
Duncan
Post by Texy
Putting the glue there ain't gonna stick nuffin !!!!
Well spotted.
Texy
Post by Nigel Heather
If you want a bit of a laugh go to this page
http://www.deagostini.co.uk/spitfire/construct.php
Watch the video on construction (3 or 4 minutes to download on a 512Kbps
Broadband).
Pay particular attention on where the expert applies the glue !!!!
Cheers,
Nigel
Ian
2005-02-23 10:44:35 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 21:56:46 -0000, "Paul McIntosh"
Post by Paul McIntosh
He is not a modeler but he plays one on TV.
The guy probably is an actor, but if that is a clip from the
instructional video, then if any of these planes do get finished, they
will fall apart due to vibration as soon as the engine is started. So
we don't have to worry about them flying after all.
Nick Beard
2005-02-23 09:37:18 UTC
Permalink
The place that he has put the glue will be on the outdide of the fuz and not
do anything usefull. He should be applying it to all the MATING surfaces,
Duh! Any ways, the best glue for lightply lock together components in not
necessarily white glue. Cyano medium works beter and is lighter, wont tend
to de-lam the ply and contrary to popular beleif will last a long time.
Post by Duncan Telford
Hiya, newbie question :- why is putting the glue there not going to do
anything?
Duncan
Post by Texy
Putting the glue there ain't gonna stick nuffin !!!!
Well spotted.
Texy
Post by Nigel Heather
If you want a bit of a laugh go to this page
http://www.deagostini.co.uk/spitfire/construct.php
Watch the video on construction (3 or 4 minutes to download on a 512Kbps
Broadband).
Pay particular attention on where the expert applies the glue !!!!
Cheers,
Nigel
xntrick
2005-02-18 01:17:07 UTC
Permalink
Post by Terry Jones
On the TV tonight was an advert for one of those magazines that come
with a bit of a model every week. This one is an IC powered remote
control Spitfire.
I suppose on one hand it is encouraging people to build but on the
other a Spitfire is hardly the easiest model to fly is it? These
things always look very expensive to me, £5.99 for 40 weeks or
something like that.
What does everyone else think?
Terry
They are piggy backin on the old theme of "every school boy wanted a
spitfire" cos dad told em about it. And so dad pays out 240 quid to
watch it go up n down in a few seconds.

Dads not happy .....young son is not happy BUT
Company selling have made a killing very quick.

thas Bussiness.....though i think it sucks!

every new washing powder washes whiter than the one before!
djindivik
2005-02-21 12:47:55 UTC
Permalink
My local model shop thinks he will sell lots of trainers because of this. I
dont think so.
Post by Terry Jones
On the TV tonight was an advert for one of those magazines that come
with a bit of a model every week. This one is an IC powered remote
control Spitfire.
I suppose on one hand it is encouraging people to build but on the
other a Spitfire is hardly the easiest model to fly is it? These
things always look very expensive to me, £5.99 for 40 weeks or
something like that.
What does everyone else think?
Terry
david
2005-02-21 17:39:26 UTC
Permalink
Wow, some negativity there guys. Thank heaven I dont have to manage you lot
at work.Now we see whats wrong with Britain.

A pint of bitter for the best POSITIVE thought about this spit then?

Lets see...erm, might get boys reading, might get dads and sons working
together a bit, might get the telly turned off, might inspire a future
pilot, might actually fly, might boost RC clubs, might boost BMFA, might
actually sell more trainers, might...

Come on guys, life's too short!

David
Post by djindivik
My local model shop thinks he will sell lots of trainers because of this.
I dont think so.
Post by Terry Jones
On the TV tonight was an advert for one of those magazines that come
with a bit of a model every week. This one is an IC powered remote
control Spitfire.
I suppose on one hand it is encouraging people to build but on the
other a Spitfire is hardly the easiest model to fly is it? These
things always look very expensive to me, £5.99 for 40 weeks or
something like that.
What does everyone else think?
Terry
Malcolm Fisher
2005-02-21 19:45:45 UTC
Permalink
Post by david
Wow, some negativity there guys. Thank heaven I dont have to manage you lot
at work.Now we see whats wrong with Britain.
A pint of bitter for the best POSITIVE thought about this spit then?
Lets see...erm, might get boys reading, might get dads and sons working
together a bit, might get the telly turned off, might inspire a future
pilot, might actually fly, might boost RC clubs, might boost BMFA, might
actually sell more trainers, might...
Come on guys, life's too short!
David
The operative word is "might"...


... not particularly positive.

Malcolm
Greg Middleton
2005-02-21 19:58:55 UTC
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Post by david
Lets see...erm, might get boys reading, might get dads and sons working
together a bit, might get the telly turned off, might inspire a future
pilot, might actually fly, might boost RC clubs, might boost BMFA, might
actually sell more trainers, might...
Will result in lots of partly built models, lots of frustration with the
sport, people being put off for life, lots of money wasted, a few smashed up
models and possibly some accidents. The only thing positive about it is that
it WILL make pots of money for the publishers 8-(.

Greg
The Natural Philosopher
2005-02-22 16:36:27 UTC
Permalink
Post by Greg Middleton
Post by david
Lets see...erm, might get boys reading, might get dads and sons working
together a bit, might get the telly turned off, might inspire a future
pilot, might actually fly, might boost RC clubs, might boost BMFA, might
actually sell more trainers, might...
Will result in lots of partly built models, lots of frustration with the
sport, people being put off for life, lots of money wasted, a few smashed up
models and possibly some accidents. The only thing positive about it is that
it WILL make pots of money for the publishers 8-(.
Actually, I rather doubt even that.
Post by Greg Middleton
Greg
"KGB" (KGB)
2005-02-21 20:06:19 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:39:26 +0000 (UTC), "david"
Post by david
Wow, some negativity there guys. Thank heaven I dont have to manage you lot
at work.Now we see whats wrong with Britain.
A pint of bitter for the best POSITIVE thought about this spit then?
Lets see...erm, might get boys reading, might get dads and sons working
together a bit, might get the telly turned off, might inspire a future
pilot, might actually fly, might boost RC clubs, might boost BMFA, might
actually sell more trainers, might...
Come on guys, life's too short!
David
And that's another thing. At a couple of wing ribs or whatever per
week, it's going to take forever to build!!!!!!! 8^)

Regards
KGB
romelluk
2005-02-21 22:48:55 UTC
Permalink
You wouldn't by chance 'manage' in the public sector would you - Only they
would consider flogging a dead horse in the face of total rejection of an
idea by their peers!

Read the posts, there are no POSITIVE thoughts about this Spitfire - it is a
bad idea

Romelluk
Post by david
Wow, some negativity there guys. Thank heaven I dont have to manage you
lot at work.Now we see whats wrong with Britain.
A pint of bitter for the best POSITIVE thought about this spit then?
Lets see...erm, might get boys reading, might get dads and sons working
together a bit, might get the telly turned off, might inspire a future
pilot, might actually fly, might boost RC clubs, might boost BMFA, might
actually sell more trainers, might...
Come on guys, life's too short!
David
Post by djindivik
My local model shop thinks he will sell lots of trainers because of this.
I dont think so.
Post by Terry Jones
On the TV tonight was an advert for one of those magazines that come
with a bit of a model every week. This one is an IC powered remote
control Spitfire.
I suppose on one hand it is encouraging people to build but on the
other a Spitfire is hardly the easiest model to fly is it? These
things always look very expensive to me, £5.99 for 40 weeks or
something like that.
What does everyone else think?
Terry
Richard Crapp
2005-02-21 23:46:04 UTC
Permalink
A long tome ago an advertising man told me if he put a picture of a
Spitfire on the back of a cornflakes box for a competition of some sort
he got 10 times the entry's than if it was some other plane.
That is why the mag has to go with the Spitfire.
They would not sell many advertising a "Trainer Ace"

On the plus side we now have our RC hobby advertising on tell every
night and a few will succeed.

99% will fall by the wayside and those that do fly would probably have
come into the hobby anyway.

I would like to know who designed it and where the parts are made.

Is the mag published in other country's? If yes, is it still a Spitfire!
--
Richard Crapp
SC
2005-02-22 22:54:08 UTC
Permalink
Post by Richard Crapp
I would like to know who designed it and where the parts are made.
All the bits and pieces we have done inc... the titanic - the 4wd gasser -
egypt - static cars, have been made in Korea.

SC
Paul McIntosh
2005-02-22 23:22:56 UTC
Permalink
Is there a commercial version that we can look at or is it top secret?
--
Paul McIntosh
http://www.rc-bearings.com
Post by SC
Post by Richard Crapp
I would like to know who designed it and where the parts are made.
All the bits and pieces we have done inc... the titanic - the 4wd gasser -
egypt - static cars, have been made in Korea.
SC
Richard Crapp
2005-02-23 09:21:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by SC
All the bits and pieces we have done inc... the titanic - the 4wd gasser -
egypt - static cars, have been made in Korea.
SC
So is the project a world wide thing, Will the Spitfire series be
published in other country's.?
--
Richard Crapp
"KGB" (KGB)
2005-02-23 13:06:09 UTC
Permalink
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:21:06 +0000, Richard Crapp
Post by Richard Crapp
Post by SC
All the bits and pieces we have done inc... the titanic - the 4wd gasser -
egypt - static cars, have been made in Korea.
SC
So is the project a world wide thing, Will the Spitfire series be
published in other country's.?
--
Richard Crapp
Hi

Could be popular in Germany - Whoops, don't mention the war!!

Regards
KGB
Stephen Chalmers
2005-02-23 15:06:22 UTC
Permalink
Post by Richard Crapp
Post by SC
All the bits and pieces we have done inc... the titanic - the 4wd gasser -
egypt - static cars, have been made in Korea.
SC
So is the project a world wide thing, Will the Spitfire series be
published in other country's.?
--
Richard Crapp
Looks like they're pushing it to the Portuguese. From what I can decipher,
they're making the same sort of claims about learning to fly to aerobatic
standard just by reading the mag. One almost has visions of them supplying a
clipboard to mount the instructions on the Tx antenna.
http://www.planetadeagostini.pt/Modelismo/Spitfire/

Strangely, nobody yet seems to have mentioned the small matter of field
equipment......

--
S.C.
Ian
2005-02-24 10:33:29 UTC
Permalink
At least they have listed all the prices for the engine, radio and
charger in clear view.
Also noticed that their version is 3 issues longer - perhaps issue 61
teaches you how to fly. Issue 62 teaches how to repair the wreck that
you now have after following the instructions in issue 61. And issue
63 shows you how to put the botched remains on to eBay to try and
recover some of the extortionate amount of money that you have wasted
over the last 63 weeks.

Ian.
Alan Holmes
2005-03-05 17:26:13 UTC
Permalink
Post by Richard Crapp
A long tome ago an advertising man told me if he put a picture of a
Spitfire on the back of a cornflakes box for a competition of some sort
he got 10 times the entry's than if it was some other plane.
That is why the mag has to go with the Spitfire.
They would not sell many advertising a "Trainer Ace"
On the plus side we now have our RC hobby advertising on tell every
night and a few will succeed.
99% will fall by the wayside and those that do fly would probably have
come into the hobby anyway.
Low wing model aircraft are VERY difficult to fly anyway, impossible for
a beginer.
--
alan

reply to alan(dot)holmes27(at)virgin(dot)net
Nik Beard
2005-03-06 00:57:41 UTC
Permalink
Thats absolute Bollocks Alan!!. Low wingers are not hard at all. Just fly
the right low winger!!! Not a Spit.
Post by Alan Holmes
Low wing model aircraft are VERY difficult to fly anyway, impossible for
a beginer.
--
alan
Paul McIntosh
2005-03-06 11:50:43 UTC
Permalink
I happen to agree with Alan. I cannot think of a single low wing airplane
kit that would be better for learning than the typical high wing trainer.
Of course, some low wingers are easier than others but I can't think of one
that is better than the high-wingers.
--
Paul McIntosh
http://www.rc-bearings.com
Post by Nik Beard
Thats absolute Bollocks Alan!!. Low wingers are not hard at all. Just fly
the right low winger!!! Not a Spit.
Post by Alan Holmes
Low wing model aircraft are VERY difficult to fly anyway, impossible for
a beginer.
--
alan
cm
2005-03-06 09:07:10 UTC
Permalink
I have low wingers with better stability than most trainers. Lets not get
confused between dihedral and wing position.
CM
Post by Alan Holmes
Post by Richard Crapp
A long tome ago an advertising man told me if he put a picture of a
Spitfire on the back of a cornflakes box for a competition of some sort
he got 10 times the entry's than if it was some other plane.
That is why the mag has to go with the Spitfire.
They would not sell many advertising a "Trainer Ace"
On the plus side we now have our RC hobby advertising on tell every
night and a few will succeed.
99% will fall by the wayside and those that do fly would probably have
come into the hobby anyway.
Low wing model aircraft are VERY difficult to fly anyway, impossible for
a beginer.
--
alan
reply to alan(dot)holmes27(at)virgin(dot)net
Nick Beard
2005-02-22 01:02:17 UTC
Permalink
David, You remind me of a right prat (sorry) we have in our club! He thinks
that every body around him with 20 plus years of experience in aeromodelling
is talking a load of shit and as its his money, who are we to advise him.
Well, dear chap, Far from having our heads up our asses, we happen to have
immense practical wisdom (sometimes gained the hard way) and after building
over 40 models in the last 10 or so years, I can can assure you of this, You
will never - unless you have plenty of all-round stick/building time,
succeed with a Spit as a first project.

As an experienced modeller I built a 1/10- 3lb- 42" Cambran spit. It was a
nice but challenging build. I flew it for 5 or 6 flights and sold it cos it
was a hand full at best and a right bastard at worst. I new it would end in
tears after a 60 hour build. It only flew best at a scale speed of 600mph
which looked awfull. When it slowed up it droped wings all over the place,
and that was with 'washout' built in!

Please save your hard earnt money and stop looking at everything through
rose tinted glasses!. Life is a real experience, so go and get some!!
Post by david
Wow, some negativity there guys. Thank heaven I dont have to manage you
lot at work.Now we see whats wrong with Britain.
A pint of bitter for the best POSITIVE thought about this spit then?
Lets see...erm, might get boys reading, might get dads and sons working
together a bit, might get the telly turned off, might inspire a future
pilot, might actually fly, might boost RC clubs, might boost BMFA, might
actually sell more trainers, might...
Come on guys, life's too short!
David
Post by djindivik
My local model shop thinks he will sell lots of trainers because of this.
I dont think so.
Post by Terry Jones
On the TV tonight was an advert for one of those magazines that come
with a bit of a model every week. This one is an IC powered remote
control Spitfire.
I suppose on one hand it is encouraging people to build but on the
other a Spitfire is hardly the easiest model to fly is it? These
things always look very expensive to me, £5.99 for 40 weeks or
something like that.
What does everyone else think?
Terry
A.T.
2005-02-22 11:11:03 UTC
Permalink
Extremely well said in few words.
I am sure I would have added 20% more words to impart the same message.
regards
Alan T.
Alan's Hobby, Model & RC Web Links
http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~atong/
.................................................................
Post by Nick Beard
David, You remind me of a right prat (sorry) we have in our club! He thinks
that every body around him with 20 plus years of experience in
aeromodelling
Post by Nick Beard
is talking a load of shit and as its his money, who are we to advise him.
Well, dear chap, Far from having our heads up our asses, we happen to have
immense practical wisdom (sometimes gained the hard way) and after building
over 40 models in the last 10 or so years, I can can assure you of this, You
will never - unless you have plenty of all-round stick/building time,
succeed with a Spit as a first project.
As an experienced modeller I built a 1/10- 3lb- 42" Cambran spit. It was a
nice but challenging build. I flew it for 5 or 6 flights and sold it cos it
was a hand full at best and a right bastard at worst. I new it would end in
tears after a 60 hour build. It only flew best at a scale speed of 600mph
which looked awfull. When it slowed up it droped wings all over the place,
and that was with 'washout' built in!
Please save your hard earnt money and stop looking at everything through
rose tinted glasses!. Life is a real experience, so go and get some!!
Post by david
Wow, some negativity there guys. Thank heaven I dont have to manage you
lot at work.Now we see whats wrong with Britain.
A pint of bitter for the best POSITIVE thought about this spit then?
Lets see...erm, might get boys reading, might get dads and sons working
together a bit, might get the telly turned off, might inspire a future
pilot, might actually fly, might boost RC clubs, might boost BMFA, might
actually sell more trainers, might...
Come on guys, life's too short!
David
Post by djindivik
My local model shop thinks he will sell lots of trainers because of this.
I dont think so.
Post by Terry Jones
On the TV tonight was an advert for one of those magazines that come
with a bit of a model every week. This one is an IC powered remote
control Spitfire.
I suppose on one hand it is encouraging people to build but on the
other a Spitfire is hardly the easiest model to fly is it? These
things always look very expensive to me, £5.99 for 40 weeks or
something like that.
What does everyone else think?
Terry
Kryten
2005-02-22 15:30:59 UTC
Permalink
Post by david
Wow, some negativity there guys.
You asked for opinions, you got valid replies from experienced people.

It is a bad idea. Deal with it.
Post by david
Thank heaven I don't have to manage you lot at work.
I expect many people here are equally glad not to be managed by you.
Post by david
Now we see what's wrong with Britain.
For one thing, cynical companies like deAgostini and the Franklin Mint
selling tat to the stupid.
Whether it is plastic busts of Egyptian gods or bits of balsa, it is always
overpriced crap.

For another thing, it is people who ask if something is a good idea, get
told by intelligent experienced people that it isn't, then complain about
the good advice because it isn't what they want to hear. This is especially
bad when these people become managers. Or prime ministers.

I even see it in job ads when they ask for a 'can do' attitude.
Meaning whatever they ask for they want someone to automatically say 'can
do', rather than an accurate estimation of project feasibility.
Alan Holmes
2005-03-05 17:26:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by Terry Jones
On the TV tonight was an advert for one of those magazines that come
with a bit of a model every week. This one is an IC powered remote
control Spitfire.
I suppose on one hand it is encouraging people to build but on the
other a Spitfire is hardly the easiest model to fly is it? These
things always look very expensive to me, £5.99 for 40 weeks or
something like that.
What does everyone else think?
I don't understand why people fall for things like this, if you read the
advert properly it gives the first issue away practically free but the
small print says it will be over 100 weeks/months at £10 per week/month,
but this bit is carefully hidden.

You could go to a model shop and buy a ready to fly model, or a kit, for
less than half that price.
--
alan

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