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Any Flair Piper Cub owners?
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Nick Bennett
2004-12-14 19:11:24 UTC
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I'm new to RC modelling, and have just started building a Flair Piper Cub -
looking for any experiences of using an OS .40 four stroke with this model.

I'd be interested to know if there's anything I need to watch out for as
regards the engine installation in the Cub. Any recommendations for choice
of prop would also be appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

Nick
Malcolm Fisher
2004-12-14 21:14:54 UTC
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Post by Nick Bennett
I'm new to RC modelling, and have just started building a Flair Piper Cub -
looking for any experiences of using an OS .40 four stroke with this model.
I'd be interested to know if there's anything I need to watch out for as
regards the engine installation in the Cub. Any recommendations for choice
of prop would also be appreciated.
Thanks in advance,
Nick
I've known two or three people with this model and have "test flown" one for
a newcomer. He used a .40 two stroke with, I think, a 10 x 6 prop.

Take care with control inputs - rudder and elevator are very powerful.

More importantly, don't try to "go it alone" - try to find a club or at
least an experienced flyer to help you check the model and with the first
flights.

I have a Radio Queen which I flew with an OS 40 Surpass four stroke. On this
I found a 12 x 6 prop a good choice - better than the 10 x 6 which had been
used by its previous owner - yes I did try that prop before going to the 12
x 6 trying several other sizes en route.

HTH

Malcolm
Steve
2004-12-14 23:53:50 UTC
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Post by Nick Bennett
I'm new to RC modelling, and have just started building a Flair Piper Cub -
looking for any experiences of using an OS .40 four stroke with this model.
I'd be interested to know if there's anything I need to watch out for as
regards the engine installation in the Cub. Any recommendations for choice
of prop would also be appreciated.
Thanks in advance,
Nick
My Flair Cub is now 11 years old. I covered it with nylon and dope with
paint (yellow, of course) on top of that. The finish has crazed a little
where the nylon has flexed over the years, but then the real ones have that
effect too, so it *is* scale!

I fitted an old OS 40 FS (the pre-surpass version) from the word go and I
use an 11x6 Graupner prop (the heavy grey ones). She's quite happy chugging
around on half throttle once in the air - very scale-like too. The
difficult bit was getting a sensible run to the carburettor input arm (it's
a rear mounted carburettor, as you know) so that the arm can operate
properly without binding, but it can be done with a bit of fiddling. You
need to get the engine sat right up forward for the prop to clear the
cowling front and to do that with the FS you'll need to cut away the plywood
front former and a bit of the plastic to clear the camshaft housing and
pushrod tubes. Best done a little at a time by trial and error (that's how
I did it anyway). Once the engine sits in nicely and the prop doesn't foul
the cowling you can mark and drill the bearers. It's a long time ago now
since I built mine so I can't remember if the bearers needed any trimming to
enable the crank case to sit between them properly. I seem to recall some
sort of faff with the plumbing too - the pipes being very snug behind the
engine - but I can't remember too much about that either. Besides, Flair
might have changed the hardware spec by now (mine has a round plastic 6oz
bottle tank with a screw-on cap).

Oh yes, one other thing. My Cub has become "Old Faithful" these days but
the undercarriage has shown a tendency to splay outward slowly over time. I
keep meaning to make up another one with extra diagonal bracing wire (like
the prototype), but so far I seem to be short of those good old tuits. You
might want to think about soldering in some bracing wires from the
beginning.

Good luck with the building and flying - it's a great aeroplane.

Steve
Terry Jones
2004-12-15 00:26:55 UTC
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Post by Nick Bennett
I'm new to RC modelling, and have just started building a Flair Piper Cub -
looking for any experiences of using an OS .40 four stroke with this model.
I'd be interested to know if there's anything I need to watch out for as
regards the engine installation in the Cub. Any recommendations for choice
of prop would also be appreciated.
Thanks in advance,
Nick
Nick,

Where will you be flying? From grass it may be underpowered. My cub
originally had a 42 plain bearing 2 stroke and could barely get off the
groud from our grass strip, I went to a 40 ball raced and this made a
big difference. You do not want marginal take off power with your first
model and I think the 40 4-stroke could be that...

It's a great plane to learn on by the way!

Terry
Nick Bennett
2004-12-15 19:45:49 UTC
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Post by Terry Jones
Post by Nick Bennett
I'm new to RC modelling, and have just started building a Flair Piper Cub -
looking for any experiences of using an OS .40 four stroke with this model.
I'd be interested to know if there's anything I need to watch out for as
regards the engine installation in the Cub. Any recommendations for choice
of prop would also be appreciated.
Thanks in advance,
Nick
Nick,
Where will you be flying? From grass it may be underpowered. My cub
originally had a 42 plain bearing 2 stroke and could barely get off the
groud from our grass strip, I went to a 40 ball raced and this made a
big difference. You do not want marginal take off power with your first
model and I think the 40 4-stroke could be that...
It's a great plane to learn on by the way!
Terry
Thanks Terry - I'll be flying from what remains of a WW2 tarmac runway, so
power on take-off shouldn't be a problem - I hope!

Nick
The Natural Philosopher
2004-12-17 14:29:04 UTC
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Post by Terry Jones
Post by Nick Bennett
I'm new to RC modelling, and have just started building a Flair Piper Cub -
looking for any experiences of using an OS .40 four stroke with this model.
I'd be interested to know if there's anything I need to watch out for as
regards the engine installation in the Cub. Any recommendations for choice
of prop would also be appreciated.
Thanks in advance,
Nick
Nick,
Where will you be flying? From grass it may be underpowered. My cub
originally had a 42 plain bearing 2 stroke and could barely get off the
groud from our grass strip, I went to a 40 ball raced and this made a
big difference. You do not want marginal take off power with your first
model and I think the 40 4-stroke could be that...
Mine took off by accident on an os 40 2 stroke and 11x4 prop.

As a complete newbie, it wasn't till agfter the crash that I noted the
aileron trim was set full to the right, and on (extremely) low rates.
I spnet quite a time with it upside down on thet flight...:-)

I repiared it, someone lese flew it and sanpped teh wings trying to spin
it, then I repaired it again and sold it.

Electric seeemed a little less fraught.
I could fly it easily these days, even on a hand launch.

Actually its a great aircraft. Bigger fine pitched orop will get a nice
slow flying sort of respoinse out of it.


BUT its a big plane, and if you have never flown before, get some expert
help.

Oh, and use plenty of rubber bands on the wing if you want to spin it
:-) Lifting wings at full speed will snap instantly.
Post by Terry Jones
It's a great plane to learn on by the way!
Agreed, if you have to use IC power.
Post by Terry Jones
Terry
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